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{June 24, 2008}   Genetic Alterations…

I decided to write this blog thanks to a recent blog thought over on CBC’s website. CA authored an article called “Genetic Diseases: Why Inbreeding is Bad” (http://colorblindcupid.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/genetic-diseases-why-inbreeding-is-bad/). After making a few comments about genetic predispositions that some ethnicities seem to be prone to, I got to thinking about how some inbreeding populations have also helped us out.
 
Genetics is a double-edged sword. It allows for those genes best fit to survive and be passed onto the next generation. HOWEVER, it also allows interbred groups to pass on recessive genes and mutations. Those mutations may be good or they may be bad, it is up to the coin toss that genetics does. This led me to thinking about The Plague aka Black Death aka Bubonic Plague. For those of you who do not know what that was, it was a time during the Middle Ages of Europe when a great disease spread thanks to rats and fleas. Basically, rats were infected by the bacteria Yersinia pestis. When fleas bit the rats, they contracted the disease, passing it onto anyone or thing they bit. I have a theory that if you trace your genealogy back to Europe, you probably directly descend from someone of noble/royal birth. Why you ask? Well, fleas do not like the scent of horses. It is common knowledge that people during that age bathed only once or twice a year, making them quite smelly. Those that were around horses in turn would smell like them as well. The ones that could afford stables full of horses had to be wealthy or work for the wealthy, so they were fortunate enough to have a natural flea repellant. Unfortunately, when the plague was contracted in the lungs, called pneumonic plague, it became an aerosol that no one seemed to be immune to. It wiped out at least 2/3 of the population of Europe, but there were survivors. There were some lucky souls who happened to contract the Plague and survive it, and these people passed on their genes to their descendants. It was discovered that the plague might have actually allowed for the inheritance of a GOOD mutation within the population.
 
During the 1980’s, there were many blood transfusions, and most of those were not tested for the HIV virus until it was too late. During the notification to recipients that they had been given contaminated blood, only one recipient tested negative for the HIV virus. For years, the man continued to test negative for the deadly virus. This got geneticists curious. For HIV to invade the cell, it has to fit a lock-and-key mechanism. What this means is that the virus acts like a key that fits a lock (receptor) on the cell. Obviously the receptor is not there for the virus but for some other important function. Unfortunately, the HIV virus fills up those receptors, infesting the cell, spreading its own genes. As it turns out, genes come in pairs, and apparently, the man that received the transfusion lacked both copies of the gene that produced these receptors. Therefore, geneticists started tracing the man’s ancestry along with others, trying to determine just WHERE this genetic mutation first appeared. They decided to run a DNA analysis once the technology was available a few years back. They determined he was of European descent and that he carried a double mutation. The mutation was because he inherited a mutated copy of the gene from each of his parents. This got genecists to searching for a time period where someone’s genes could have allowed for such mutations among people of certain populations. They searched the outbreaks of diseases and traced the mutation back to the Great Plague that happened in Europe during the Middle Ages  (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/previous_seasons/case_plague/clues.html).
 
The geneticists discovered that people of English, Scandinavian, and Germanic heritage seemed to have higher frequencies of this genetic mutation. They then decided to test the blood of a population that had not changed much in the last 500 years, so they tested that of an isolated village in England. Most of the people were the same descendants of people who had lived there hundreds of years ago. Through much DNA analysis, they discovered that almost everyone living in that village was RELATED, and had a common ancestor. This ancestor happened to have a history recorded because she SURVIVED the Black Death. She then passed her genetic mutation onto her descendants, and so on down the line. Those descendants that received TWO copies of the gene mutation are simply IMMUNE or RESISTANT to the HIV virus. Therefore, those that actually survived the plague due to mutation passed on a gene that allows for immunity to the horrible HIV virus (http://www.darwinawards.com/science/bubonic.html) along with immunity/resistance to the Bubonic Plague.
 
Thanks to this great discovery, scientists are testing use of drug analogs to treat HIV and AIDS. An analog basically is a mimic. In this case, it blocks up all the specific receptors that HIV can fit into or causes a change in the cell, mimicking the double genetic mutation. So far, the clinical human trials have been successful. Those that actually HAD full-blown AIDS tested negative to the entire HIV virus after therapy using these new drugs. This could be the breakthrough that the world has been waiting for…all simply to an inbreeding population that passed on a good gene mutation.



chineseambassador says:

that is totally fascinating! When is this new HIV therapy coming out?

Yesterday I was on the phone trying to find a new infectious disease doctor for my son (for MRSA), and I was forwarded to a clinic that I wasn’t familiar with. When I asked them about my son’s issues the counselor told me “oh you’re in the wrong place. This is a pediatric HIV clinic”…and then I felt so awful thinking about children with HIV. MRSA suddenly didn’t seem like such a big deal.
The counselor was so awesome though, trying to help me find the right doctor. I said “but you don’t have to help me – my kid doesn’t have HIV” – and she was like “I’m a mom, too – it doesn’t matter.”
There are some awesome people that work in the HIV/AIDS clinic here. ;)



ara0062 says:

Yeah I feel bad for people with HIV/AIDS too. Most people have this wrong misconception that the people who have contracted it did something to deserve it. That’s wrong. A LOT of people actually picked it up through drug transfusions or from parents that were infected, but they were unaware. Also, a lot of third world countries simply do not have the resources to treat those with it, or the proper medical supplies, and end up passing it on to further generations.

CA, I honestly do not know when the new therapy will be available. I do know they gave the man that had the transfusion a triple dose of the HIV to see if he would contract it. He did not. The gene mutation is called Delta32 I believe. All I know right now is that they are in clinical testing where they test out the drug on volunteers with HIV/AIDS. So far as I have found out, those that are taking the drugs, their HIV/AIDS has completely disappeared. I do know that it takes 10 years for human clinical trials before the FDA will approve the medicine. Other countries such as England and Canada are much less, but with the US doing 10 years, it gives them time to discover more long term effects/side effects to the drug therapy. I really think this might be the breakthrough that everyone has been looking for, and all due to a little good inbreeding LOL.



colorblindcupid says:

Holy crap! You did a lot of work on that post – I love that kind of stuff. I’m going to go put a link to this back in ours since I think it’s such an interesting flip side.



ara0062 says:

Thanks CBC. I’ve been thinking about how to go about and write a post on this for a while. It …took some doing to edit and think about it, but make it interesting enough for others to want to read about it, but not overwhelmingly long. People seem incredibly excited when I mention it in face-to-face conversations. I get asked frequently why the media and people haven’t heard more about it. Well, honestly, I feel that big drug companies hide things like this. HIV/AIDS medications cost hundreds/thousands of dollars for monthly supplies of their medications. Finding a cure would eliminate lining SOMEONE’S pocketbook.



6mile says:

Welcome back , ara

This is a very interesting study ara, wow, one day in the near future HIV/ AIDS might be curable.

Inbreeding and Outbreeding is like a double edged sword, that which can help you can harm you as well.

People make a big issue out of it, but most of us are mixed. You me and everyone. World Wars, migrations, trade, rape, cultural exchange have made it a mixed world. Like CA, pointed out outbreeding is helpful when you have recessive genes and you want them to go away, many diseases can be avoided, but new ones may appear. Inbreeding is bad when you have tiny pockets breeding among them selfs.

I liked this post a lot, you must have put in a lot of work into it.



Wow. Thanks for sharing that with us. That’s really interesting. I’m glad you put the original links in there too.



ara0062 says:

No problem. When I make claims or give information as such, I like to have research evidence to back it up with…plus, I want it to be able to help others. :)



This stuff is so fascinating. I love how you pulled together the info. Great work!



Ara,

Ok so I am super excited to read this post (I haven’t yet – I skimmed it since I am off to bed) … sorry I have been so busy lately but I am trying to get back into the swing of things! Will try to read/comment tomorrow!



Ok so I read it. Very interesting!

The thought of inbreeding to me is stomach turning but I wonder is that because of society? Think back to the times when it was not a big deal the whole world had less options and at times that was standard it was also what they knew. I guess overall if the person is related but distantly (not mother/father brother/sister etc) then it might be ok especially if the family does not have any major health issues.

I mean if we could take people and test them (like they did with the AIDs virus/Plague Immunity) from different regions who are immune to certain things and then breed them with other people who are immune to other things then we could eventually breed out all of the negative and have Super genes! ha ha maybe someday!

That just made me think of Gataca.. the part where the girls are taking the objects ( saliva/hair strand) to the tester for DNA analysis to see if they want to date them.



ara0062 says:

Oh geaz WmWB hahaha..that’s funny..the Gataca thing. I think I must have saw that LOL. Yeah, I know what you mean about being grossed out about inbreeding. What’s weird is I am related to people that I do not even know. Hopefully, I will not end up dating someone I’m related to, although not knowing all my distant relatives caused laughter at work one day. My cousin’s wife said hi to me and told me to tell my parents hello..and she then said the same to this guy I worked with. We looked at each other..and I was like..uh how do you know her? He was like, that’s my grandmother’s brother’s wife. I was like OMG, I am RELATED to YOU! He came from the shallow end of our gene pool…I swear he did LOL.



6mile says:

I think genetic inbreeding is discouraged, because it highers your chances of getting genetic diseases, smaller gene pool means lesser to mix and match, thus we have been advised to take the easier route out.

All of us have African origins and we share much of our building blocks with them (99.8%) and most of them must have inbred.Its only later that,people started migrating most of our early explorers must again have similar roots and some degree of inbreeding. Its only when populations grew that people would have a wider choices.

The very institution of family will come under attack, if someone finds conclusive and absolute proof that in breeding is good. What constitutes in breeding is also a matter of debate, different cultures have different rules laid out.

Hehe, I dont mind somone taking my hair strand :P , I think I would be more date able. Ara, did that guy ever ask you out, ;) .



ara0062 says:

No. He didn’t…. so when are you coming to Texas? hehe ;)

Oh, I am not promoting inbreeding LOL, just showing that at least in one case it has done some actual good.

I also have a theory about how or at least why genetics came up with different skin colors as well. Hmm, I’ll look and see if there is anything to back up my idea or not, then I’ll put a post on it… :)



6mile says:

Hmmm, I need to get out of school and find a job first :P and then maybe ;)

This documentary talks about why people have different skin colors;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6A8oGtPc4&feature=related

The human genome has 25000 strings and only 5 determine skin, eyes and hair. Also,It is very possible that you have a greater chance of sharing more genetically with a Chinese woman then your own blood aunt.



6mile I was totally sucked in watching that. I watched all 13 parts lol. I believe most of what is said but I still do not believe we evolved from Apes.



oh and I forgot to mention that I think the video puts a new perspective and meaning behind being “color blind”. I already try to raise my children not only blind to color (race) but blind to most all differences (like someone others might deem as ugly/fat and even religious/sexual differences). I think in the end it will make my children better people and less judgemental… at least I hope.



Hey guys another thing is this site: https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html
it is run by the same guy who did the documentary that 6mile linked. It costs like $100 to do but it looks so cool. I am gonna do it!



6mile says:

You are free to believe what you want. Humans are way inferior to apes and other animals in many ways, If you see the lynching of blacks, the annihilation of more than 10 million people by Leopold II of Belgium, the holocaust and even the ugly caste system. We have a long way to go, I saw this horizon documentary on Intelligent Design and It was very revolting to me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5970625193157876643&q=war+on+science&ei=bhJ8SLbQDIb04AL99ZWfCw

I’m glad you liked it, $100 is still a lot of money for me right now, but maybe in the near future. I’ll be waiting on your results :)



ara0062 says:

Yeah, I’m in the boat with 6mile. I would love to be able to perform a DNA analysis, but $100 is still too much for me at the moment. Although, I can honestly say that’s actually pretty cheep. That may be because they’re doing it on such a large scale that they can offer it at that price level.

From my science background, I can say, we didn’t technically evolve from apes. Apes were a split off about the same time that humans split off. They actually think that neanderthals and a primitive man interbred to create what we are today. That is the newest theory on why neanderthals disappeared. They didn’t actually become extinct, but changed/hybridized into what we are today.



ara0062 says:

I was watching a soap opera while ago…yes I do that from time to time to get away from it all…and noticed something. The storyline was the story of my life right now. It just made me sad all over again. Just how do you get past the point of feeling like your spirit is broken guys? I honestly just feel like something has been torn away from me and don’t really care if it is found again or not..



6mile says:

Science, still has someway to go before there can be any concrete theory, Its very much like building jigsaw puzzles, evolutionary theory’s have been around for over a 1000 year’s, but its scientific study was done by Darwin just over a century ago, perhaps in our life time we will gain something significant, perhaps not.

I’ve pretty much blown over the period of girls, its not that I dont think about girls still,there are so many more people who like you Ara and think about you :) . Its just better to concentrate on the positives and just live life and see what comes…..



Indeed 6mile those are some good thoughts and words of encourgement!



jillElubY says:

I’m new to this blog. Apologize for asking this though, but to OP…
Do you know if this can be true

Thanks :)



ara0062 says:

What part Jilleluby?



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